What’s the etiquette when someone is blasting music on the El with no headphones?

Speak up or suffer?

Illustration by Steve Madden
Illustration by Steve Madden

This week I have invited two reporters to help answer one of the many SEPTA questions we hear.

Have your own thoughts or other questions? Fill in the box at the end!

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Evan Weiss
Deputy Features Editor

Before we get to the question at hand, can you both describe your backgrounds with taking SEPTA?

Beatrice Forman
Food & Dining Reporter

I've been carless since I moved to Philly seven years ago, and take SEPTA pretty much everywhere unless I'm with my boyfriend, who drives. Then I'm a passenger princess.

Henry Savage
Now Reporter

I ride SEPTA bus and subway every week to The Inquirer offices, plus when I’m going out at night. Cheap, and fairly quick travel!

Beatrice Forman
Food & Dining Reporter

“Fairly quick” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Henry Savage

You're not wrong lol.

Evan Weiss

Okay, the question is… What’s the etiquette when someone is blasting music on the El with no headphones — speak up or suffer?

Beatrice Forman

I think it's one of those things where it's well within your rights to speak up about someone blasting music on the El (especially in the morning), but do you really want to be known as the curmudgeon who chastised someone over something like this? I'd be so afraid of getting sniped and posted on TikTok.

Beatrice Forman

Have you ever spoken up about this IRL?

Henry Savage

I’ve seen full-blown phone calls on speaker and people smoking out of glass instruments, but to be honest with you, I haven't said anything.

Henry Savage

What's your go-to solution when this happens to you? I'm partial to blasting my headphones.

Beatrice Forman

I wish I was the type of person who could just turn my AirPods up full volume to drown it out, but I am also a 5-foot-tall woman alone on public transit, so the head has to stay on a swivel. Also, sometimes those things die!

Beatrice Forman

I was recently on the BSL home from an assignment in South Philly around the time classes let out, and this kid was blasting Kendrick Lamar loud enough for all the train car to hear, so I ended up politely offering him a pair of corded earbuds to use to see if he'd take the hint.

Henry Savage

Nice work!

Beatrice Forman

He did not take the hint, but I was proud of myself for trying.

Beatrice Forman

Do you think there's a right way to nudge a person to, perhaps, not smoke on the train? Or blast their playlist?

Henry Savage

I think going the solutions-oriented approach of, "Hey, looks like you could use some headphones?" is a good call.

Henry Savage

In reality, what's the right way? Probably being as polite as possible while knowing the person will likely rebuff you. That being said, sometimes all it takes is for one person to call someone out!

Henry Savage

Or should we just invoke "Think of the children and older riders!" Smoking in front of children is the worst look.

Evan Weiss

Smoking is really the most annoying. I've been on the train with my daughter and we just had to move cars — not worth the possible contention with her there.

Henry Savage

Yeah, if things go dicey with your kid there… good call.

Beatrice Forman

I do think sometimes a very pointed and pissed off "Can you not? There's people around" would probably be soooo cathartic though, and would get the point across. Especially for smoking. No one likes that but the smoker.

Henry Savage

The moments you think about an hour afterward and say, "Dang! I wish I said that back there!"

Beatrice Forman

I think it's tough because so much of the issues with these things on SEPTA can be brushed off as just the side effects of living in a city and can feel kind of elitist to complain about, but also, counterpoint: none of this should be happening enough to warrant an Inquirer column.

Evan Weiss

True! FWIW I do think it's far better on the bus than the train — probably because you have the driver upfront to tell people off.

Henry Savage

Yes, I will say that taking the bus there's more enforcement in my opinion. Some SEPTA bus drivers are known to pull the bus over and not leave until the issue is resolved, like smoking, fare evasion, or loud speakers!

Beatrice Forman

I've also seen this happen on the bus, Evan. Mostly music though, not the smoking.

Evan Weiss

Bea, I'm still impressed you said something! I don't think I've ever seen that happen

Henry Savage

Yeah, that's a true Philly move.

Beatrice Forman

It was like exposure therapy for my anxiety.

Beatrice Forman

I will probably never do it again though. Not the hero we quite need.

Henry Savage

In a perfect world? Every single smoker and to a lesser extent music blaster would be confronted, and realistically fined or reprimanded for the behavior. In this economy? I’m keeping it moving and cranking my music.

Henry Savage

If my headphones die, I suffer in — well, not silence — but the blaring sounds of AI voice over TikTok slop videos.

Evan Weiss

Any last words, Bea?

Beatrice Forman

Be the change you wish to see in the world and don't smoke or make me listen to your bad taste in TikToks on SEPTA.

This conversation has been edited for length.

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