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I always shovel beyond my own sidewalk, but my younger neighbor only does his patch.

Am I expecting too much from him?

Shoveling snow

Tomorrow is the first day of winter, but the snow has already started. I invited two Inquirer staffers who have to shovel their sidewalks to answer the seasonal issue.

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Evan Weiss
Deputy Features Editor

The question is…

I usually shovel beyond my own sidewalk, but my younger neighbor only does his patch. Am I expecting too much from him?

Tommy Rowan
Programming Editor

It depends on the type of youngin' we're talking about. If they have a Doordash order on their stoop after it already snowed 4 inches and it's still coming down, then yes, you're expecting too much.

Sam Ruland
Features Planning and Coverage Editor

Yeah, that’s exactly it. I still feel like a jerk if I only shovel my own sidewalk, that’s just how I was raised. But I also know that’s not the default anymore. Some people are strictly “my patch is clear, my work here is done,” and apparently that’s acceptable now.

Sam Ruland

I just can’t stop at the property line without feeling weird about it… especially when I live on a block where neighbors will bring your trash cans back to your house if they get to them first.

Tommy Rowan

Yeah and if there are elderly people on your block, that should just be automatic. You know, we're trying to live in a society!

Sam Ruland

Once elderly neighbors are involved, pretending you didn’t notice becomes embarrassing.

Evan Weiss

Maybe your neighbor was in a rush one time or their back hurt, but if you know they're physically capable and they always stop at the border… that's being a bad neighbor.

Sam Ruland

Totally. One time, fine. Life happens. But if you’re physically capable and it’s every storm, people notice. And once it becomes a habit, I’m gonna feel a lot less bad about moving your cone and parking in your spot when the snow melts.

Tommy Rowan

I was one of those kids who would grab their plastic shovels during snowstorms and go around with a few buddies to knock on doors and offer our shoveling services for a few dollars. Then we'd get pizza and a few cool, refreshing glasses of Mountain Dew.

Tommy Rowan

I may sound old, but I don't see those kids around anymore.

Sam Ruland

What REALLY gets me is watching the single mom on my block out there shoveling by herself while her three sons are completely MIA. I don’t know about you, but that would not have stood in my house. And Philly notices stuff like that.

Tommy Rowan

Yeah, that ain't right.

Sam Ruland

My dad had three daughters, and if he was home, he took the lead on shoveling. And if he was at work? There was no way my mom (with her forever aching back) was going to be out there alone.

Tommy Rowan

Yeah and if a neighbor saw your mom or you doing it alone they would have yelled at you for not asking for help!

Sam Ruland

That public scolding was mortifying and honestly enough to shape my entire personality. Which is basically how I operate now. I don’t want to shovel. I hate it. But I’d rather suffer for 20 minutes than be silently judged by my neighbors all winter. I don’t shovel because I love it. I shovel because I fear the block.

Evan Weiss

Okay, if a few kids knock on your door asking for money to shovel, how much do you give them?

Tommy Rowan

Depends on the size of the property.

Sam Ruland

I want to say $5.

Evan Weiss

Yeah, $5 seems fair for a rowhouse.

Tommy Rowan

And $10 for a rowhouse if they also dig out the car. If we're talking a Northeast house, with a full driveway, sidewalk, and steps, that's at least $20. And possibly a hot chocolate Mountain Dew break.

Evan Weiss

Any final advice?

Sam Ruland

Snow melts. Reputation doesn’t. Help your neighbors.

This conversation has been edited for length.

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